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without waver the authority of the president. countdown with keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? mcchrystal mess. >> today i accepted general stanley mcchrystal's resignation as commander of the international security assistance force in afghanistan. i'm also pleased to nominate general david petraeus to take command in afghanistan. >> the president, petraeus by his side, pivots quickly to the mission in afghanistan. >> this is a change in personnel, but it is not a change in policy. >> how president obama may have ininoculated himself politically by choosing general petraeus with richard wolf, how the men and women in the field may
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react. day 65 in the gulf. >> discover enterprise removed the containment cap with the riser pipe and moved away until they assessed the condition. >> translation, a robot collided with the well cap increasing the gusher. you can't stop it. you may not even be able to hope to contain it. the doomsday scenario on a petroleum geogist website. the pipes may be leaking and there may be no way to ever stop it. just back from the gulf is our guest. the apology he apologized for and then retracted. he may have just retracted the retraction and then tried to hide the retraction of the retraction. worse. >> this is what being president of the united states is all about. it's the tough, huge, monumental decisions. it's just like our job. >> oh, no, no, it's not.
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so anybody got any good news? soccer? i'll take it. >> nothing, over here for nothing, back there more nothing. something, something. something. goal! goal! >> our guest mia hamm. all the news and commentary now on countdown. good evening from new york. late today june becoming the deadliest month of the afghan conflict forral lied forces with 76 deaths and the month has seven days to go. in our fifth story those developments in all likelihood not related in any way. the president having accepted mcchrystal's forced resignation because of his remarks in the
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now infamous "rolling stone" magazine interview. the president said general mcchrystal's explosive comments and those of his top aides left the general unfit to lead. >> today i accepted general stanley mcchrystal's resignation as commander of the international security assistance force in afghanistan. i did so with considerable regret but also with certainty that it is the right thing for our mission in afghanistan, four our military and for our country. war is bigger than any one man or woman, whether a private, a general, or a president. as difficult as it is to lose general mcchrystal, i believe it is the right decision for our national security. the conduct represented in the recently published article does not meet the standard that should be set by a commander general.
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>> the first sign this morning that general mcchrystal was out when he left the white house not sticking around for a separate meeting on afghanistan with the entire national security staff in the situation room, which was held an hour and a half later. general mcchrystal saying in a statement that he tendered his resignation out of a desire to see the mission in afghanistan succeed adding he supports obama's strategy and he's committed to the coalition forces, partner nations and the afghan people. the president coupling the news with the departure with the announcement of his replacement, general david petraeus. he's known for having turned around the war in iraq three years ago. general petraeus accepting what is in essence a demotion as the head of u.s. central command, he was mcchrystal's boss. let anyone convince you to relocate from tampa to kabul, and you've won their gratitude. >> general petraeus and i were able to spend some time this morning discussing the way
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forward. i'm extraordinarily grateful that he has agreed to serve in this new capacity. it should be clear to everybody that he does so at great personal sacrifice to himself and his family. >> petraeus likely to be confirmed quickly at next week's hearing. today at the capitol republican lawmakers hailing him almost if he was obi one kenobi. >> we think there is no one more qualified or more outstanding leader than general petraeus to achieve a successful conclusion of the afghan conflict. the hearing for general petraeus' confirmation will probably be the fastest in the history of the armed services committee. >> dave petraeus is our best hope. if things don't change, nobody can pull it out in afghanistan. >> time now to call in our own political analyst, richard wolf, offer of "renegade: the making of a president."
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the talk yesterday was president obama had a choice to make about firing general mcchrystal. to your knowledge for you did they ever entertain a choice? >> well, i think there was a choice in one area, but first of all, there are two areas there were no choice in. as commander in chief asserting civilian control over the military, there's no choice here. this is a question about insubordination and discipline through the ranks. in terms of the strategy, i think, again, the question comes down to was this person the only one who could execute it? there is a choice on that. there was a question about whether mcchrystal, as the father of this plan, was the only figure who could execute it. in the end they came up with an alternative. there was a choice about that specific area, but when it comes to discipline, when it comes to leadership, the assertion of leadership, there was no choice. >> by getting general petraeus to replace him, did the president make it almost impossible for the republicans to criticize him on this? did he inoculate himself to some
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degree politically? >> politically approximate for sure. there is always going to be a question from republicans about the strength of not just this president but democrats in general. petraeus was a stroke of genius in one sense, because as you heard from lindsey graham, it becomes not just a question about the president's determination to stick with a strategy, if petraeus cannot make this work, then nobody can. he can then go out and say, look. i tried my best on this. if it works, petraeus is a hero and he's a hero. if it doesn't work, you have mapped out a plan for withdrawal. >> would this have been an opportunity or would this because of the nature of the disagreement with mcchrystal have been the worst possible time for the president to do anything in the way of strategic changes? was this an opportunity to say this isn't working and we're getting out? is the path for that conceivably advanced in the immediate future because of this change? >> it would have been tough to
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do it on any kind of time line that we've seen, because it moved so quickly. remember the strategy that the president outlined has in built review stages in. there's a full review in the fall, and then there's this really sharp time line. if this doesn't turn around in afghanistan anytime soon, then in a year's time there will be a reversal of the troop flow and a drawdown. by the way, one of the most troubling pieces in this "rolling stone" story was this notion that mcchrystal could somehow bounce the president into adding more troops in there. petraeus has experience with that. he tried to do so when kndz obama went to iraq. he said his withdrawal plans were immature and he should rethink them. it's not easy to bounce this guy, and a strategy review is really something he controls very, very closely. >> what happens next summer presuming the president wants to start withdrawing troops from
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afghanistan as currently scheduled? is there any softness around there? is there more to worry about about the possibility that somebody, if not general petraeus, somebody would be able to bounce this president? >> well, look, when you look at that westpoint speech he gave when he added extra troops, he was incredibly skeptical. he said this has to show its working for it to proceed. and that's where the question of trust, the question of team cohesion comes into place with mcchrystal. could he trust their assessment that the strategy was working based on what we've seen out of the offensive it's highly doubtful. unless you have confidence in the commanders this is going to work, this strategy is going to work, there's absolutely no need to move awra from the president's plan, which is these troops should come back in a year. >> richard wolf thank you. for more on the reaction to general mcchrystal's resignation and what happens next we turn to matthew alexander and has
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everything slui everything. he was awarded a bronze start medal for his service in iraq and he's a co-author in how to break a terrorist. thanks for your time tonight. were you at all surprised by mcchrystal's resignation over the comments that he made to "rolling stone," particularly the nature of the comments about the president and other members of the administration? >> i'm not surprised by his resignation and not surprised by the comment. to some degree you have to allow soldiers to do some grumbling about civilian controls over operations. that's to be expected, but it's not to be expected by senior leaders, certainly not general officers, and not by senior members of the staff and certainly not in public. and i think the decision for general mcchrystal to resign and for president obama to replace him was the right one. >> with this having a conclusion to it, the general was given
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tremendous latitude running the most covert of black opes programs, tracking down and often killing militants, the al qaeda and iraq leader zarkawi was on that list and through the pat tillman cover-up as well. might that latitude led him to believe he could make that kind of grumbling about the president with a reporter present and there would be not be any reporting of it? >> there might have been some of that. there might have been some complacency in terms what he felt he could say. you know, i think general mcchrystal to be fair deserves some credit for having conducted the operations that i took part in to find and kill zarkawi and other operations that saved thousands of lives. statement he skated through his senate confirmation after adding
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mistakes were made about abuse and homicides that happened while he was commander. i think maybe there was some complacency in making these comments, but in the end the right actions were taken. >> you mentioned the confirmation hearing is looking ahead to the petraeus one, senators mccain and graham said those hearings would be the fastest ever on record. shouldn't there be some level of scrutiny? say what they said, why even hold the hearings? >> well, i think that the part that we have to remember is that mcchrystal was a practitioner of strategy. petraeus is an author along with other men like and david cocoa hen. these are the men that authored the modern coin strategy, and so we've had the discussion about the strategy in iraq or afghanistan, and we've already decided we're going with this coin strategy.
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in that respect i don't think so. also we have to to remember that general petraeus doesn't have the skeletons in his closet that general mcchrystal did during the hearings. >> deadliest month in afghanistan. it's on track to be the deadliest year in afghanistan for u.s. troops. marja is a bleeding ulcer. they've delayed the planned operation in canada ha and the karzai government is threatening to kuts a deal with the taliban. none of those are good and encouraging signs. what happens if general petraeus cannot turn that mess around, and what particularly could a man of petraeus' previous stature hope to accomplish on some sort of personal level? >> afghanistan is a challenge no matter who is in charge. what petraeus brings to this it fight and i think opt miss cali this is agood change. there's corruption in the
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government which is necessary to eradicate for the people to support the c.o.i.n. strategy, and the second is the civilian side of support to military observations whether it's social services or building schools or providing jobs. i think general petraeus is one of the approximate people whose been the biggest advocates of that kind of activity support and military operation. >> is it true -- i've heard this before, and i've never had this verified by anybody who knew the subject. is it true that the cost of putting the afghans in charge of their own security of their own military, of having somebody replacing our troops there is several times the gross national product per year in afghanistan? it's almost an -- it was as if something here cost $700 trillion a year? >> i've heard the same rumors it would be an incredible cost. maybe they can use some of the money from these trillion dollars of worth of minerals to
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support that. eventually afghans have to step up and take over responsibility for their own security, but they're not going to do that if they don't have faith in a government. so i think what general petraeus has to do when he steps into afghanistan is he's got to restore the afghan people's faith in their government and bring in the social services they need to support the c.o.i.n. strategy. >> a former u.s. military interrogator. we thank you for your time, sir. >> you're welcome. from something the president can stop to something he cannot. an accident makes the disaster temporarily worse, fixes in progress in the gulf, but one assessment makes the disaster permanent. no fix possible. the congressman who apologized to bp and then apologized for apologizing to bp flip flopped again and got caught and tried to hide the flip flop. that's ahead on "countdown." and at ge, we're using it, right now, to create innovative technology
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someone who is an oil industry expert claiming that the well structure beneath the sea bed is failing which means it might be unstoppable. this morning an undersea robot bumped into the containment gas system closing one of the vents and that had allen called it a burp in the system. they had to check it for crystals that might clog the system. now operations have begun to re-install the cap. the containment cap which was capturing only a portion of the gusher's oil had been containing none of it for most of the day. what if the well beneath the seafloor is failing? the warning of posted on the oil drum, an internet sounding board for petroleum geologists and oil industry professionals. someone identifying himself as doug r. wroet a lenty pete with a cav yet we can't identify him. all the actions and tidbits of information lead to one conclusion. the well pipes are broken and leaking. the more they try tro restrict
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the gushing out it will transfer to the leaks below like a leaky garden hose with a nozzle on it. when you open it up, it doesn't leak so bad. you close the nozzle it and it leaks real bad. the blowout preventer will tip over if they do not run supports to it. it's a race now, a race to drill the relief wells and take our last chance at killing this monster before the whole weakened, worry out and leaking and failing system gives up its last gasp in a horrific crescendo. the beachfront at pensacola beach covered in oil. cleanup workers struggling as the oil kept coming all day. let's bring in bob kavnar. thanks for your time tonight, bob. >> good evening. >> we have talked with you before about that possibility that this doug r. raised. is there any evidence of the worst-case scenario that was described in that posting?
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>> you know, keith, i happen to agree with whoever doug r. is. i believe that the best option for bp right now is to keep the well flowing as much as they can. any effort to close the well in or to restrict the flow could cause more damage down in the hole and cause that flow around the well head we talked about earlier this month. >> so is it potentially if not unstoppable virtually unstoppable? >> on the surface, keith, it's essentially unstoppable. the best they can do now is to gather as much of the oil as they can from the seafloor through these different risers that they're installing. they need to get the latching cap on it to gather more of the flow. the only thing to kill the well is the relief wells being drilled right now. >> the new orleans times picayune reported another disaster that the broken well head is tilting over. admiral allen is confirming that the riser package is tilting 10
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to 12 degrees off perpendicular. how big a concern is that? could it be an indication there is, in fact, some structural problem with the portion of the well that lies below the sea bed. >> i think, there's real damage to the blowout prevent er which is made up of the lower riser package and the blowout preventer itself. there's a tremendous amount of stress put on that when that 5,000 foot of riser went over to the seafloor, and the connectors are severely damaged examine flowed through now for several weeks f. it comes off it won't be a surprise to me. they can't lower the cap down over the next connector looking up, as long as there's something looking up to settle it over. >> we saw you last night with kerry sanders near the site. give us your impressions with 24 hours to think about it that you saw in person?
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>> i was privileged to see this up close. the coast guard stopped us as the 5-mile limit, and the water -- it was dark when we got there, but the water looked fairly nice and blue. but the scene itself was hobble in terms of all the flames and vessels there. right after the sun came up, a big sheet of real heavy weathered oil engulfed the boat, and then as the coast guard moved us in cleeser, we moved in within a mile and a half of the enterprise. oil was everywhere. not only these sheets of heavy oil coming through, but this first oil and the dispersant efts was everywhere. it snmelled like a refinery. it doesn't bother me. the film crew -- the television crew was having a tough time with it. havi >> having seen it, is your impression worse than it was from a distance?
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have you gotten any encoura encouragement or discouragement from what you saw? >> you know, the scale of the operation, keith, this has got to be the largest offshore operation ever undertaken. there's three semi submersibles there plus a drill ship and 30 other ships. the coast guard has over 700 people in this operation on a continuous basis. the effort is massive. it shows the weakness in our system where the technology, when it works well, is wonderful. when it fails, it's just massive and the damage is gigantic. it shows a real weakness in our lack of energy policy we've been talking about for 40 years but none nothing about. >> you hate to anatural jazz anything fl world war i. it sounds like all the destructurive capacity that man had was 50 years ahead of his
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ability to defend against it. bob cavnar, oil and gas industry expert. thanks for yesterday's report and your time tonight. >> happy to be with you, keith. has congressman joe barton apologized again? this is an apology for hiding a tweet that linked to a story that said he shouldn't have apologized for his first apology to bp. [ slap! ]
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congressman joe barton is compulsively apologized. first the tweet of the day
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in progress. this is somebody's question time. a look inside the assembly. punches were thrown, shirts torn, four members ejected from the session. 11 lawmakers have been us spended indefinitely giving new meaning to will the gentleman yield? no, i bet he'll yield for this. what was he running away with. the times in which congressman joe barton is apologized for something and the times when he's apologizing for his last apology. another one of sorts next. homes for those in need? or, maybe you want to help improve our schools? whatever you want to do, members project from american express can help you take the first step. vote, volunteer or donate for the causes you believe in at take charge of making a difference.
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it's official. congressman joe i apologize barton has said he's sorry. he's sorry now to just about everybody except the gulf coast whose compensation escrow fund from the bp, mr. barton opposed. barton's apology in hand let barton obtain his position in
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the committee declaring the matter over. the party is still spewing out both side of blowout preventers including the congressional office of barton. he was telling republican congressional leaders sorry behind closed doors he was tweeting a different tune says joe barton was right linking to an article reiterating the gop argument that president obama shook down bp and deleted the tweet when it got caught. not just that he agrees with barton's comments but a lot of others privately read secretly with them too. he compares mr. obama's push for the escrow fund to wait for it, that's right, the beginning of the nazi movement in 1920s germany. oklahoma tea party gubernatorial candidate saying bp should be given more freedom to do what he wants and tea party favorite mike lee who won the nomination
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last night told the salt lake city tribune he wants to limit how much damages people can claim from bp and center taxpayers pick up the bill. >> is that something you would be supportive of, increasing that cap on the liability for environmental damage? >> no. >> that's the assurances provided by law. >> for part of the damage. >> yeah, it probably does. >> is that equivalent to the bailout? >> i don't think -- well, i don't think that's equivalent to a bailout. >> democratic congressman of louisiana wrote to bm yesterday asking them to suspend executive bonuses indefinitely and use those funds to compensate rig workers sidelined by the moratorium on new drilling, a moratorium that salazar repeated today he will revise and restore after a new orleans judge overturned the first one yesterday.
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the judge will ask for a stay on the order until it can be appeals. let's bring in chris hayes. >> good evening, keith. >> mr. king said he agreed this was a shakedown but he did not necessarily agree that barton should have apologized for it. so shakedowns are okay? >> yeah. steve king comes out strong pro-shakedown. i think he can gut tangled up trying to thread through the logic of this entire episode. the fact of the matter is the story is pretty simple. barton said something that a lot of people in the republican and particularly the base of the conservative movement are feeling. he said it out loud and they got caught for it. he had to walk it back because of the toxic politics. that doesn't change what they believe. everybody is saying that, and it is the truth. everyone is trying to run these circles around and have it both ways. this is sort of standard. there's a lot -- one of the things that dick army and the people that stand at the nexxus between the party establishment
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and the base have to constantly do is figure out how to translate tamp down or hide or the remarkably unpopular ideas that are sort of bubbling up through the tea party movement. >> how is this balanced? i'm trying to understand who they think would vote. i know who they think will help fund the campaigns for this. the tradeoff for being on the record, as mr. barton is, as mr. king is, as this fellow that won, mr. lee, in utah, to essentially be saying, no, screw the people in the gulf. screw the taxpayers. let's defend bp. there must be a downside to this electorally or i'm missing something fundamental about our political system. >> there is a downside electricity electorally. they apologize for the apology prompts another apology for barton. so immediately you saw that everybody understood the politics of this. the politics are hatched from from enincredibly zealous
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commitment to -- i don't know what it's too, frankly. the oil companies are these awful krony capitalist enterprises anyway. you're not defending a little firm somewhere behavely plugging away, but there is a reflective, tribal afin knit to defend business in these kind of conflicts. that's not going to go away. no matter how bad the politics are, that's still there. there are people in the right wing media urging that on because that's what they believe. >> when you get to mike lee, you have this additional wildcard factor, the tea party. these are essentially people who have never been out in the real world before, the real political world, and have not hit that moment all the rest of us have that our own personal views we developed at six and a half years ago are not, in fact, the exact identical views of everybody else in the world. we may need to control it will a little bit. that's the wildcard here, correct sf. >> that is the wildcard.
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that's why you see it in terms of the press strategy that they've pursued in the wake of the rand paul explosion. if i was running an electoral campaign treeing to guess passists elected to congress, we should never go to war for any reason. if reporters ask questions was world war ii worth fighting they'll get chewed up. you have to figure out a way to square the circle. it's interesting to see that tension be public sized as much as it is. how much is lost in the noise? people are focused ultimately, the politics of this continue to center around is the leak going to stop? that's the proob the democrats have. >> indeed. chris hayes of the nation. thank you, chris. >> thank you. pu.s. 1, algeria 0.
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being a foss fox news host is the same as being president of the united states. it's tea time. a candidate is more right or left is no surprise, but when one flat out repudiates his political independence from the man as we move into the pregeneral, that's something special. hello again, dr. paul. he was merely the vacant voice in kentucky proudly pledged he would never accept contributions
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for those who voted for the bailout. he said it would a violation of constitution and it's a transfer of wealth from those who have earned to those who have squandered and then he won the primary. tomorrow night dr. paul is the beneficiary of a fund-raiser by the national republican senatorial committee. tickets are a thousand a pop, sponsorships five. the invitation is signed by 12 gop senators including 9 who voted for the bank bailout of 2008. you might think this was ordinary hip pock see, but no. dr. paul's campaign manager has a major league rationalization for you. we considered the primary was a fight over the direction and the soul of the republican party. by rand taking that hand stance in the primary, we think those ideas won. now that the hard stance and those ideas won, it's time to get rid of them as quickly as humanly possible and start raking in the dirty, dirty money. you know what fund-raising is, right? to borrow dr. paul's quote it's
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♪ everybody complains they're not enough good news. the mighty roar goes up from the crowd. that's next. first get out your pitchforks and torches. the bronze to monica crowley of
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fixed news. the remarks we saw on the rolling stone piece were not tan mount to insubordination and there was only one to mcchrystal and that was the crack about vice president bideness and that was twas a blown opportunity fo president obama and a thin-skinned response to this. it doesn't matter she's crazy and the republican politicians are saying supportive thing. this will be the next thing. rnc michael steele is back with a vengeance. he got a parting gift, 100 grand. kenneth mckay was steele's right hand man. he was not at the bondage themed nightclub when the rnc spent 1900 bucks there one happy night, but he was in the chain of command as the expense report was approved. the $100,000 is reportedly so mckay will not discuss steele's
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management style. one gop insider called it hush money. hush money is a bizarre term to use in the context of a bondage club. moving on, beauty pageant winner is gretchen carlson. this was supposed to be here talking about general mcchrystal. >> this is what being president of the united states is all about. it's these tough, huge, monumental decisions. it's not about how you run a campaign. it's not about whether you're popular. it's not about whether or not you're a celebrity or good-looking or tall or short, it's in a time of crisis making these executive decisions. it's just like our job. from a daily basis when there's not big breaking news we roll along, but what's the role of an anchor during huge breaking news? growing up you tune to the television that one moment during the year they would have to carry the story all along. it's the same thing as being the president of the united states.
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as you know i have no background in sports, but i do know this. last week glenn beck and i coincidentally agreed that the international community has been shoving soccer down our throats and using only their feet. that was before i knew that we as a cannot were any good at soccer. we beat algeria.
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usa, you'll never walk alone! 1-0. i thought it would be a lower note than that. the match was so important that former president clinton was on hand. with algeria still reeling from the whooping from the wars two centuries ago nothing was a guarantee. no scoringminu minute. we get one past the netminder and puts the big biscuit in the big basket but the goal disallowed because of an offsides penalty. it was like every other call in this entire cup questionable, like the phantom call that nullified the potential game-winning goal last week. the u.s. would break through, landon donovan firing home the stoppage type rebound, and the u.s. wins 1-0 to advance. it is perhaps the biggest win for a united states men's team on any international stage since, well, the miracle on ice in 1980 when the u.s. olympic
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hockey team upset a favored russian juggernaut, a bunch of pros, and went on to beat finland for the gold medal two days later when a young reporter working for upi radio was there to capture that feel-good moment. >> with that cheer the biggest upset in history was complete. the united states 4, the soviet union 3. the fans in the olympic center felt as much a part of win as the players did. >> i really thought russia would win. >> i don't know what else to say. >> after the game thousands spilled onto the streets and there was firecracker displays and chants of we're number one. >> mia hamm knows something about winning a world cup. she did it twice with team usa in 1991 and 199. she's the two-time women' fifa player of the year. thanks for that win. >> how big was this win?
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it sounds like the start of a joke. in terms of soccer an american sport, where do you place this? >> this is huge. for the guys over there competing but for e sport of soccer, you look at 2002, what the guys accomplished there in co korea is phenomenal. that momentum has continued to build, and i think for us as a sport in this country, it's so important to be successful in the biggest stage. >> i was exaggerating before about american sports fans having soccer shoved down their throats for 43 years. >> no way. >> to live up to the terrible reputation among soccer fans, i had to say that. the real world context makes a difference in terms of a sport making that final push from one thing to another. you have the gulf oil crisis, the stuff with general mcchrystal. if you give the country good news today, the country says, we're watching. is there any context for that that you agree with?
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>> i think so, and i think the u.s. is seen in the world of soccer as such an underdog. you saw that in the first match against england, and here going forward is the rest of the world waiting for us to fall on our faces. here's a group of men that continue to fight. today they played -- had to play 94-plus minutes, had to overcome in their last match a questionable call. tremendous leadership with carlos and tim howard and ral rallying the team and saying listen, we have to leave that behind. what's in front of us is algeria for each other and for the pride of our country play as hard as we can, and that's what they did today. >> you mentioned the officials. these refs, i have a theory that they get to this position because these are the men who happen to own the referees' shirts and uniforms. is that how they find these
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referees? they don't look to be the cream of the crop that the players and the countries represent. >> my history and my relationship with referees has always been, you know, terrific, so for me to comment about referees is nothing new. but obviously, you know, they go through a lot of training. and today to me wasn't as questionable as the call in the previous game. you know, i mean, clint wasn't five yards onside, it was a narrow, narrow margin for air roar. we got to see it 100 times on the replay, and after you see it that many times you'll say yeah, he'll onside. it's part of the game. it's not -- as a player you don't really love it, but at the same time to stop the game for so many, you know, let's go back and look at the film, that game would last forever. >> and you'd add video replay times to the other unknowables
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to the timing of the match. there's two ties and a win in the first round they need four straight to win the cup. where do you rank it? is it possible, impossible? how is it? >> well, i think if you look at this world cup, anything is possible. you know, just ask the guys that played those last three games. you assume that certain matches you might have a greater success rate, but in the end every player that is at that world cup is fighting for the same thing. i think the u.s. has as good a chance as any other team. it's a strong test for them against ghana, but then as a player, i know those guys don't want it any other way. >> last question. you had 150 and more goals internationally. how many would you have scored if every game they were playing these horn science. >> that's what that referee from the last game should get. that's his he penance, is to sit in a very small room


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